consulate in benghazi. the united states ambassador and three other americans were killed. also tonght, egyptian president urging national dialogue still, but moving forward with his referendum on an islamist back to constitution. the new york times bureau chief in cairo, david kirkpatrick insisting that the muslim brotherhood is not, and i do ," not violent by nature and have come over the last couple of decades, you off more and more into a moderate conservative but religious moderate regular old political force. well, joining us now is jonathan chancellor, former counter-terrorism analyst, current vice president of research for the foundation for defense of democracy, and it is good to have you with us. your reaction to kirkpatrick's description. >> let me first say that the brotherhood, when it was founded did have a violent army, and that was one of theeasons why the egyptian government ended up railroading get outof the political system. over time the brotherhood has vowed to be a nonviolent organizations over the last several decades. -- lou: i am going to beg you fo